Just a reminder regarding the 2000 election recount(s) in Florida when Gore and his army refused to accept Bush had won the state … There were several media and independent recounts of the votes, some restricted just to democrat stronghold counties, all included even the most microscopic hint of an ovulating “chad”, and some included even the military ballots that Gore and the lawyers did not wanted counted, and Bush still won the state … But not one of these entities came out to acknowledge their final findings. This bullshit has been left dangling for 16 years as some sort of fact that Bush and the SCOTUS “stole” the election from Al Gore.
Andrew McCarthy @ NRO is my go-to source for logic, reason and sanity…
… Trump is likely to lose by a wide enough margin that it won’t make a difference. Still, I find to be ridiculous the “sky is falling” reaction to his refusal to say he’ll accept the outcome of the election.
First of all, this is yet another of these pointless public discussions in which we are sure to get nowhere because people use the same words to mean different things. What does it mean to “not accept the result” of the election? On one extreme, it could mean calling for violence and insurrection; on the other end of the spectrum, it could mean pronouncing the result illegitimate while not really trying to undo it; in the middle, it could mean not accepting defeat and attempting to reverse the outcome by peaceful means. If, when I say I won’t prejudge the election as legit, I mean I reserve the right to challenge it in court, but you act as if I’m hinting at a wave of domestic terrorism, who is the one who is being unreasonable?
The Democrats never accepted the result of the 2000 election; even after Bush was reelected, the left regarded him as illegitimate. And while there wasn’t fighting in the streets, there were serious consequences – when the going got tough in Iraq, the illegitimate presidency was inflated into the illegitimate war. The contested 2000 election wasn’t the whole explanation, but it was a premise of the toxic opposition to Bush that even included a movie fantasizing his assassination.
Meanwhile, Democrats fight tooth and nail against every commonsense measure to protect election integrity – paring the state voter rolls of those who have died or moved away, proof of identification, proof of citizenship, etc. And heading into last night’s debate, the day’s big story was the exposure of two top Democratic operatives who specialize in voter fraud and sabotaging campaign events.
Why on earth would anyone, least of all Trump, presume the legitimacy of an election that hasn’t happened yet when it is open and notorious that the other side is cheating and insists on maintaining the systemic vulnerabilities that allow it to cheat? Particularly when Democrats from Al Gore and Bill Clinton on down did not accept the result of Bush’s election, and Democrats framed him as illegitimate even after their legal challenges were exhausted (and then frame the Supreme Court as illegitimate for upholding the election result).
Overall, I thought Chris Wallace was stellar in moderating the debate. But I could not understand why, when Trump wouldn’t pre-pronounce the election as legit, he interjected with an admonition about the American tradition of “peaceful transition of power.” I didn’t take anything Trump had said to be a call for civil war if Mrs. Clinton wins. I took him to be saying nothing more than: They cheat, everyone knows they cheat, and I am not going to say the cheating doesn’t matter until we see how the election turns out.
To analogize, I believe deeply in the fairness of the U.S. court system having practiced in it for many years. If I were representing a defendant in a case to be tried against an honorable prosecutor and before a pillar-of-rectitude in a robe, I still would never, in advance of the trial, waive my client’s right to claim unfairness. That would be malpractice on my part and a violation of my client’s constitutional right to effective assistance of counsel. You always wait to see how the trial goes.
Importantly, if, as in every trial, there are errors here and there, that does not mean the trial was “rigged.” A competent lawyer reserves his right to challenge the result, but the result is not going to be overturned unless there was fundamental unfairness.
Like the peaceful transition of power, it is also a tradition in this country that, no matter how bitterly the candidates battle each other for a major party’s nomination, they get behind the eventual nominee. Yet, one of the most boneheaded moves made in the GOP campaign was the early pledge, pried out of each of the candidates in the name of tradition, to endorse the nominee – with the result that candidates who had railed about Trump’s flaws were put in the impossible position of either endorsing someone they had said was unqualified or breaking a solemn pledge. Why not just wait to see what happens and then do the sensible, honorable thing once the facts are known?
The high likelihood is that Trump is going to lose decisively – I’m betting by more than Romney but – because Hillary is so awful – less than McCain. When that happens, it will be readily apparent that there was cheating, but that the real explanation for Trump’s loss is Trump. I could be wrong: the election could be surprisingly tight, and it could make a difference were cheating in a few strategically chosen districts to taint the result in an electorally significant state. In those circumstances, it would make perfect sense to challenge the result – just as the Democrats most assuredly would.
Why does recognizing this very real and hardly unprecedented possibility have to be seen as threatening “the peaceful transition of power”?
PODESTA WIKILEAKS HORROR: Voter ID Doesn’t Stop Alien Voting.
J. Christian Adams:
Podesta’s right. Alien registration and voting is the next big battle for election integrity, because federal mandates created vulnerabilities in our election process.
Here’s how it works.
Under Motor Voter, registrants can get registered to vote while they get their driver’s license or “photo ID.” How? Well, getting registered to vote is as easy as marking “YES” to the question: “Are you a citizen of the United States?”
As Podesta notes, when you attest you are a citizen, you get registered. It’s automatic. It’s mandated under federal law.
The registrant then signs the form, stating under “penalty of perjury” that the answers are correct. It’s an honor system — but only four states engage in citizenship verification.
And three of those four states are currently entangled in litigation with leftist groups trying to end that verification: Kansas, Alabama, and Georgia.
These leftist groups have allies in the Justice Department, which has also fought citizenship verification measures ferociously.
They’re playing for keeps.
Read the whole thing.
Althouse: On not accepting the results of the election: Let’s hear from Russ Feingold: “This game’s not over until we win.” … Read her outline on the issue.
Donald Trump is more similar to the Founders of our country than anyone who has run for the presidency in my lifetime.
What?! What?! Didn’t Trump just jump an entire school of sharks in the third debate, saying he didn’t know if he would accept the outcome of the election. Isn’t he finished? Are you out of your bloody mind, Simon?
Okay, maybe, it wouldn’t be the first time… but hear me out.
Put briefly: If Donald Trump believes—as many of us do—that the FBI is corrupt, the Justice Department is corrupt, the other party is hiring violent paid thugs to disrupt his campaign rallies, that no one knows who is really registered to vote, that the press is stratospherically biased, and that his opponent, backed up by all those corrupt entities, should have been indicted, why would a patriot, or for that matter someone who is even routinely honest, necessarily accept the results of the election of that opponent?
Ben Franklin wouldn’t. Thomas Jefferson wouldn’t. James Madison wouldn’t. Sam Adams wouldn’t. Of course, those guys were revolutionaries. These days we’re just, you know, “good citizens” who obey the rules and move on. With that kind of behavior in the past, our country wouldn’t even be here. But never mind.
Not convinced? Think of the reverse. Suppose Trump had meekly said he would accept the outcome with the smirking Hillary—the woman he has called a crook and who, for all intents and purposes, is one—standing only a few feet away? Wouldn’t that, in the true sense, have invalidated everything he has been saying? …
Shut The Front Door: 8 Times Liberals Claimed An Election Was Stolen Or Rigged: Everyone has taken to dismissing Donald Trump’s claims that the election is rigged. Here are eight times liberals claimed an election had been or would be stolen.
Powerline: ON “ACCEPTING ELECTION RESULTS”
Channeling Russ Feingold…
JUST IN: Trump: “I will totally accept the results of this great and historic presidential election… if I win" https://t.co/4z453rVzqK
— CNN (@CNN) October 20, 2016
I will admit, I could not sit through another Hillary “pivoting” and bullshit-shoveling and Trump doggy paddling. Like most people I am beyond blood pressured out. I have even had to distance myself from the election, and even the news, a bit over the last week or so because I just am a nervous wreck. Anyhow…
There was a debate.
Winner? Debate moderator Chris Wallace of FOX News Channel. He was fair and balanced in asking equally tough questions of both candidate, while stepping back and actually allowing ‘debate’ back-and-forth.
The also rans once again did not shake hands (cold and flu season, you know, and with Hillary’s questionable medical issues… well, you know).
Trump had the edge with staying best on the issues and actual answers to the questions, but as always with him could have done better. And most post-debate polls show him with a slight advantage.
Hillary did better with professionally applying the shit Shinola on her already bullshit-stuffed record, and her planned agenda for our country. With serious lingering questions about the woman’s physical mobility, she has no problems with her verbal mobility to “pivot” away from answering a pointed question and deflecting attention in a totally different direction. Perhaps she would make a good intersection traffic cop. She could basically just stand still and blow her shrill whistle, or voice, and angrily point and wave the cars into crashes and wrong-ways, and then blame the car manufacturers.
Why white, Hillary?
Do you presume to portray yourself as the good guy, something typically done with a white cowboy hat, to the black-suited (see: black hat bad guy) bad guy.
Or is it your handlers’ way of presenting you as pure and clean as the wind-driven snow, amid these last couple weeks of undeniably filthy dirty Wikileaks revelations to the complete contrary. Was your federal prison orange pantsuit at the cleaners? Because you looked more like the sterile and dangerous resting bitch face…
Or a bag of useless, stale, stuck together marshmallows.
Trump does strong when he talks border security, but some specifics would put him higher. pic.twitter.com/4EwkFaOy8j
— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) October 20, 2016
Hillary doesn’t believe ‘anchor children’ should be ripped from the wombs of their illegal alien families who would be deported. But she has no problem ripping them from the actual womb.
Good on you, Chris Wallace, for pointing out how extreme HRC's abortion position is. Most Dems don't support late-term abortion. #debate
— S.E. Cupp (@secupp) October 20, 2016
Most of America doesn’t support it either. That’s why the MSM not only didn’t cover the abortionist Gosnell’s trial, but buried it.
Here’s the full third debate, if you care to watch or revisit…
MORE – UPDATES:
Tweet of the night: Stephen Hayes marvels at Hillary’s ‘audacity’ in doing this at #debate
Audacity for Clinton to call violence at Trump rallies Un-American given the firings/resignations of Dem operatives for inciting. #debate
— Stephen Hayes (@stephenfhayes) October 20, 2016
Oh… Okay, ABC News, feh…
— ABC News (@ABC) October 20, 2016
Hillary and Snow wearing the same color a coincidence? I think not. pic.twitter.com/9noIPyTuB8
— Jansen Daniels (@JansenLane68) October 20, 2016
“What complete fucktards we have boxed ourselves in with.”
No truer words have ever been spoken on Facebook than those by a FB friend of mine while he watched last night’s third presidential debate. BOOM! He’s right. But here is why…
This is what happens when the American people lay back and insist on being spoon-fed processed pablum and peeled grapes. Your taste buds dull and teeth rot away, and you cannot make a fine wine with peeled grapes. The Founding Fathers designed this nation/republic so that not only do the people have teeth, but sharp teeth with which to make themselves be heard by those in power.
The American people have been the slothful junkies getting their fixes from the one-sided MSM propaganda dealers, never questioning or doubting what they are being told because they’ve been too damn lazy to understand even the most basics of this republic’s founding and how it is supposed to function and its primary purpose that already was working in their favor. However, after well-over 200 years the American politician has hoodwinked the American population into believing the opposite. The American voters for decades, generations, have given up their power as the employer of the government, and have allowed the MSM to feed us this ideology that you shouldn’t be responsible for yourselves or work for your own financial growth. And in order to stay competitive with the democrats and their ‘progressive’ amputation of our republic and our rights (and our wealth) the republicans have had to adopt that whole ‘change’ bullshit because they are called ‘racists’ and “pro-slavery, anti-women, etc.” if they dare insist we look to and abide by the US Constitution in separation of powers, governing with the consent of the governed, individual states rights, personal property rights, gun rights preservation, etc. And so come the election cycles Americans have been (willfully) conditioned to vote for the salesman and the used car sales-pitch they like best.
It’s very much our fault. And I raise my hand as ‘guilty’ during my political formative years as a young, and liberal, adult when I first began voting. Most of my votes back then had absolutely no substance or knowledge behind them. But what’s queer is I would vote democrat but still chuckle at seeing Gus Hall’s name always on the ballot and know he was a communist buffoon, never imagining the democrat I was voting for loved the guy but just wanted him to “hush-hush, keep it down now, voices carry” and we’ll do this in a way so as to make the American people believe and think this is what they want and need as we bait and switch them into a socialist existence and away from a representative republic.
And hence we have the two we have right now.
For many elections the democrats have operated on ‘transforming and changing’ our system. Andrew McCarthy @ NRO (read the whole thing) wrote an excellent piece about this approach alarmingly pitched to the voters. Why is it alarming? Because our system is so unique to civilization’s long history that any ‘transformative’ “change” to it will obliterate it. It’s not that our Constitutional republic is fragile. It’s that it is a freaking math equation, and one wrong move collapses that equation …
We should always be on guard against presentism, but in this instance I do not hesitate to say that the upcoming presidential election is the most alarming in American history. I can make that statement with confidence because I do not believe the most disturbing aspect of the election is the choice of candidates – even though the two major party nominees present the worst choice the American people have faced in my lifetime (Eisenhower was president when I was born), and perhaps ever.
The reason this is such a frightening election is that the Constitution’s mechanisms for reining in or ousting a rogue president are in tatters.
We are not supposed to have transformative elections, contests that will forever change our system of government or enable government to orchestrate cultural upheaval. The Constitution is supposed to be our guarantee against that.
During the height of the Soviet Union the alcoholism rates in that empire were some of the highest in the world. I think we 21st century Americans can seriously understand and commiserate with that right about now.
Kurt Schlichter @ Townhall makes a “The Walking Dead” analogy to the political year that just wouldn’t quit: 2016 Is The Stupidest Year
Well, let me spoil it for you – I know the identity of the victim beaten to death on The Walking Dead premiere Sunday. The victim is my patience with this stupid year.
2016, die, die, DIE!
WHY WON’T YOU DIE?!?!?!?
2016 is stupid in every way, in every respect, from its stupid politics to its stupid pop culture to its stupid stupidity. Even the number “2016” is stupid. Just look at it. It’s not even an interesting prime number. It’s divisible by four, like a sucker.
By my talking about a stupid TV show, do you get the idea that I am trying to avoid something even more massively stupid? You do? Then you are not stupid.
The election is not only stupid on the surface, but it embodies a deep and enduring stupidity that will haunt our country and the world for generations.
Let’s look at the candidates. Donald Trump is certainly stupid.
Trump managed to beat 16 other GOP candidates, but only with the help of some serious stupidity. Stupid Jeb!, in a move that will put him in line for admission to the Stupid Hall of Fame, decided that what America needed was another Bush, except this time a snobby, jerky one who opposed all the things his party likes and who had given his opponent a freaking medal.
Jeb gave Hillary a medal. Let that sink in as you step back and behold, in awe, his remarkable achievement in the field of stupidity.
Back to Trump. This spoiled 10 year-old boy in a 70 year-old rich man’s body stumbled onto the one message Republican voters are dying to hear, and yet managed to stupid all over his own secret success sauce because he’s too stupid to put down the phone and shut the hell up. Let’s not even go there about the stupid inherent in thinking it would never come out how he had taped gynochats with Howard Stern and Billy Bush.
But his stupid is nothing compared with the stupidity of the people actually believing this guy is anything more than a firewall against something exponentially worse. You can choose herpes over leprosy, but you don’t have to talk yourself into buying the notion that herpes is cool.
And then there’s Hillary, a woman so stupid she botched the Washington, D.C., bar exam that the zombies from The Walking Dead could pass. Here’s how stupid she is. She has 99.99% of the reporters in America with their faces parked firmly in the seat of her pantsuit. She has every tycoon, robber baron, potentate, and ditzy Hollywood half-wit writing her giant checks. She has female genitalia, which much of liberal America considers enough, in and of itself, to qualify her to be president. She has all this, and Trump is still competitive in the polls.
“Why aren’t I 50 points ahead?” she cackles stupidly. Because you’re stupid, you venal moron. Your policies are stupid, your ideas are stupid, and the hacky clichés that you offer up to your trained seal supporters are breathtakingly stupid. I’d say she was stupid for all her email and corruption antics, but I don’t think that was it. I think she was just confident that she would never be held accountable – and justifiably so thanks to corrupt courtiers like James Comey.
But what’s really stupid, what’s so mind-bogglingly stupid that it makes me want to pound my head against concrete, is how all this stupidity is leading America to throw away a system that has generally brought us freedom and prosperity from 1776 to this accursed year of 2016. Our ruling elite, the stupidest Americans of all, think they can just ignore all those obstacles to their power like equality before the law, due process, and freedom, and that people will just keep going along with this stupidity.
No, they will start pushing back, and as my new book predicts, that could be really bad. Now people – not just Trump, but people who aren’t stupid too – are seeing the system as rigged against them, and the ultimate stupidity is assuming that our system can survive when a good portion of us believes it has morphed into a scam designed to impoverish and enslave us for the benefit of a bunch of jerks. Maybe 2016 is the stupidest of years, but maybe it is also the year we stopped being stupid and stopped taking it.
In a nutshell, Kurt agrees the American voter has been made stupid, and basically just walks to the polls like a pack of zombies.
My biggest bone-biting is with the people whom I hear (my Father and other relatives) using the fucking canard “The democrats are for the working man…”
REALLY?!? How do you figure that? Because it has been the ‘working man’ that has not only voted away their rights and large chunks of their paychecks to the type of government overreach and spending and central government overgrowth, but have contributed to the democrat policies and self-serving thuggery, that has sucked it’s share of money from the ‘working man’s’ paycheck in dues to funnel to the democrat party, that has completely trashed swaths of STILL democrat strangleholds, such as here in NE Ohio and Detroit and Chicago and New York City, just to name a few. And it has been the ‘working man’ that has been used and abused as pawns by one political party for generations. That said, as I stated above, the other political party has been too pussified to understand this and grow a pair and grab the ‘working man’ by the blue collar and shake him into the reality of his disgruntlement whenever the looted paychecks come out. It is the American ‘working man’, who is probably a union member in addition to a registered/voting democrat, that is deaf-dumb-blind to the fact that the big business CEOs and companies they work for, and hate and see as the enemy like good union members, are and have always been in bed with the democrat party. Don’t believe the damned Hollywood movies that portray it any other way.
The people in this nation need to put down the commercial TV remotes and take a long look at the way things are and the way they’re supposed to be. You have a Hell of a lot of catching up. Here’s a clue: Kim Kardasian and dancing stars and late night dickheads are even more stupid than the American voter, yet the American voter just allows these self-important, self-serving useful idiots to squeeze and form our opinions into the fucking mess they have become.
Final Presidential Debate in under 4 hours. I've begun my debate prep. pic.twitter.com/3zBfKHFDgy
— Tom Bergeron (@Tom_Bergeron) October 19, 2016
America, take back YOUR power and control from the MSM, the shit-headed Hollywood celebrities, and most importantly from the off-the-rails establishment political parties that are handing YOUR power over to an out-of-control government.
Kurt’s right. Donald Trump is, at the very least, a firewall against the turbo-thruster to damnation that is Hillary Clinton.
— James O'Keefe (@JamesOKeefeIII) October 17, 2016
— James O'Keefe (@JamesOKeefeIII) October 17, 2016
Jame O’Keefe’s “Project Veritas” has busted open and exposed a bombshell that the MSM are laughing about in the face of the truth. Of late, democrats and even republicans are wagging their collective finger at Trump’s insinuating the election is rigged and it might well be stolen in November by the media and Hillary. How dare he say such an un-democratic thing in this beloved democracy. Why, nothing of the sort ever happens in this country. Ever. Right?
“It’s a very easy thing for Republicans to say, “Well, they’re bussing people in.” Well, you know what? We’ve been bussing people in to deal with you fucking assholes for fifty years and we’re not going to stop now, we’re just going to find a different way to do it.”
“When I do this I think as an investigator first – I used to do the investigations. I think backwards from how they would prosecute, if they could, and then try to build out the method to avoid that.”
Except that O’Keefe has the “Rigging Elections For 50 Years” admission on video…
Not only did PV expose the corruption, but it is rooted in the White House and with Hillary…
The democrat operative at the center of this voter fraud, and trouble-making at Trump rallies, is Robert Creamer, the husband of democrat Jan Schakowsky.
Over 40 of those visits were one-on-one face-to-face with Barack Obama himself. But the MSM is scoffing that they were about … basketball. For fucking serious? Why the fuck not yoga and Chelsea Clinton’s wedding?
— James O'Keefe (@JamesOKeefeIII) October 19, 2016
— James O'Keefe (@JamesOKeefeIII) October 19, 2016
— Maggie (@drillanwr) October 19, 2016
Meanwhile, Robert Cramer has been fired, and here’s his bullshit statement on the matter and wrongdoings…
BREAKING: BOB CREAMER FIRED pic.twitter.com/akCloCv7pd
— James O'Keefe (@JamesOKeefeIII) October 18, 2016
One guy fired and one guy resigned after O'Keefe tapes. Funny how that always happens. Almost like they actually did something wrong.
— Mary Katharine Ham (@mkhammer) October 19, 2016
Obama: "Whining" about voter fraud before the election "doesn't show the kind of leadership you want in a president" https://t.co/y9MN7UrexY
— MSNBC (@MSNBC) October 18, 2016
They like to scoff at Trump as just being some ‘reality TV’ celebrity.
Think about these last 8+ years and how many non-news, but variety and even children’s, TV shows Barack and Michelle Obama have appeared on during that time? And then alleged news channel softball interviews? Anybody have a tally?
Obama has done far more of these cheap-assed, celebrity appearances than serious press conferences in 8 years. This Obozo presumes to judge who is and isn’t whining, and then preaches about Trump not being able to handle the pressure of the Oval Office. This from the guy whose thin skin has been the only thing even remotely ‘transparent’ during his occupation of the White House. This from the guy who has spent the better part of 8 years blaming Bush and everyone else for his failings…
Reporters criticized President Obama on Tuesday after he scolded a Washington Post reporter at a White House press conference for shouting out a question.
At the end of a joint press conference Tuesday in the Rose Garden with Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, Obama addressed the refugee crisis taking place in parts of Europe, and the surge of immigrants into the U.S.
After Obama wrapped up his comments on it, Post reporter David Nakamura called out a question regarding Central American migrants flooding into the United States. Obama answered and then sarcastically thanked Nakamura for the question.
“But I appreciate you shouting out a question since I’m sure there are a lot of other colleagues of yours who would want to do the same,” Obama said before exiting the garden. “Thank you very much, everybody. Appreciate it.”
— Jeff Zeleny (@jeffzeleny) October 18, 2016
For the record, no, @DavidNakamura's colleagues don't begrudge his shouted question
— Mike Memoli (@mikememoli) October 18, 2016
— slone (@slone) October 18, 2016
Sara Westwood @ The Washington Examiner: Six ways State tried to cover up Clinton’s emails
— WSB-TV (@wsbtv) October 18, 2016