The first moments out of the VP debate the talking-heads were fawning over Tim Kaine’s “balancing” of his Catholic faith and his ability to not dictate his morals and value of life unborn on society. Wonderful, huh? Kaine pads his Catholic gravitas with a religious resume that had him spending time with the Jesuits during his mission in Honduras. Well, the predictable Pope Francis comparisons were immediate. Oh, the New York Times gushes over Kaine’s brand of Catholicism. Well, as we have seen since he ascended the throne in the Vatican, Pope Francis is a socialist, through and through … as is Kaine. The Jesuits are pretty much ‘social justice’ commies pretending to be devout to God. But they serve two gods with their allegiance to the secular-driven socialism.
I am one of those Catholics who are not so ‘devout’ as to attend church and confession. However, I cannot and do not twist my faith and morality into a pretzel and justify the killing of the unborn inside the womb, or on its way out into the world.
Matt Walsh @ The Blaze: Please stop calling pro-abortion politicians ‘Christians.’ They are heretics.
A lot of Christians think that taking the Lord’s name in vain means nothing more than uttering a swear word or yelling, “Oh my God” in horror as the opposing team intercepts a pass and takes it 65 yards the other way. But the Lord did not issue this commandment simply to prohibit slips of the tongue and overly emotional exclamations during football games. If you want to know what taking the Lord’s name in vain really sounds like — and why it’s considered such a grave moral violation — all you have to do is watch the end of last night’s vice presidential debate.
In fact all you really need to do is listen anytime a pro-abortion “Christian,” particularly a Democrat politician, speaks up to defend their position. After all, when a Christian who endorses the slaughter of innocent children is called to justify this detestable and heretical view, there are only two ways he can respond: 1) he may break down in tears, fall to the floor, repent of his wickedness, and beg God to forgive him for allying himself with Satan, or 2) he may further defile the holy name of the Lord by publicly claiming that faith in Him could rationally lead one to a belief in systematic baby murder.
I have yet to see a Democrat select the first option.
Instead, every time, they do what Tim Kaine did at the debate. They betray Christ with a kiss and a few sly talking points about the importance of “reproductive choice.” Last night, when Mike Pence smartly introduced the subject of abortion, Kaine — a rabid pro-choicer who believes that abortion at all stages should be legal, including partial birth abortion, and who has been rewarded with perfect grades from Planned Parenthood and NARAL for his slavish devotion to their agenda — lied and pretended that his faith and his abortion views are not in conflict. He even quoted Scripture in his own defense, practically daring God to strike him down with a lightning bolt right there on stage. That is taking the Lord’s name in vain.
We believe man is made in the image of God, and therefore a human being’s life is a sacred and precious gift. It is, I would think, quite difficult to support the dismemberment and destruction of human life while believing that the lives being dismembered and destroyed are sacred gifts made in the image of God. And if you do somehow hold both beliefs simultaneously — if you actually say to yourself, ”Yes, a sacred life made in the image of God is being dismembered and destroyed in abortion but I’m cool with that” – then you are something far worse than simply un-Christian. You are a Satanist. You are looking God directly in the face, acknowledging His existence, and spitting on Him anyway.
Some “Christian” Democrats try to get around this by saying they personally oppose abortion but they don’t believe the government should get involved. I’ve already addressed this ridiculous hairsplitting elsewhere, but I’ll say here again that it is incoherent to personally view something as murder yet defend someone’s right to engage in it.
Abortion of the unborn life is a communion for these people.
Kevin D. Williamson @ NRO: Tim Kaine’s Abortion Dodge
Intellectually, Tim Kaine’s argument about abortion is incoherent and indefensible; it is, in fact, illiterate. He argues that while his own Catholic devotion points him in a pro-life direction, the fact that we are a pluralistic society with a constitutional guarantee of religious freedom precludes him from supporting initiatives that would enshrine certain Catholic preferences in law.
On the subject of abortion, Tim Kaine is a mess intellectually and a coward morally. That some people find his argument persuasive is only another sign of how attenuated we have become, nationally, in our facility for reasoned argument. The facts of abortion are the facts of abortion, irrespective of what any pope, president, governor, senator, or mere justice of the Supreme Court says.
Being a Catholic is one reason to oppose abortion. Being a human being is another. Tim Kaine, a cheap and shallow sophist, isn’t a particularly inspiring example of either.
Williamson got into a Twitter debate today: Kevin D. Williamson schools ‘sophomoric’ Ga. State law prof on evils of abortion
HotAir’s Ed Morrissey: Debate points to ponder: Can a Catholic be pro-life and support abortion on demand?
Short answer: not really, and it’s no coincidence that it’s also the long answer. Perhaps the most intriguing — and relatively orderly — part of last night’s vice presidential debate came at the very end, when moderator Elaine Quijano turned to “social issues” with less than 15 of the event’s 90 minutes left on the clock. When asked how faith informs their public lives, Tim Kaine answered that, in effect, it doesn’t. He practices his Catholic faith privately, but says that the “doctrines” of his religion shouldn’t factor into his policy preferences, especially on abortion. Rather, Kaine says that the issue is whether women can decide for themselves to end a pregnancy…
Why don’t you trust women to make this choice for themselves? Pence missed the correct response to this question which is this: This choice doesn’t involve just themselves. A properly formed Catholic would know this — and the reason for it makes the “private faith/public person” dichotomy utterly false.
In the Catholic faith, abortion has been anathema literally since the first Christian catechism was written around 70 AD, as the teachings of the apostles titled the Didache. Its proscription against abortion was plain, and its reason clear, emphasis mine:
And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is begotten.
And Hillary insists she’s such a faithful Christian…
Not like anyone’s “Constitutional rights” matter a whole Hell of a lot to Hillary or any other 21st century “Progressive” neo-communist when it comes to seizing power, liberty, and personal responsibility from us.
Michael Walsh @ PJM: Obersturmbannführer Kaine: Little Eichmann, Catholic Heretic
During a generally disgraceful performance at the vice-presidential debate last night, Tim Kaine delivered himself of this enormity:
“We really feel like you should live fully and with enthusiasm in the commands of your faith, but it is not the role of the public servant to mandate that for everybody else,” he said.
On the surface, this seems reasonable enough, and indeed it’s the standard position for Democrat Catholics who subordinate their “religious beliefs” to the increasingly Stalinist demands of leftist party orthodoxy — whatever they may happen to be at the moment. But it’s a lie, and a monstrous one at that. Kaine’s answer on abortion is basically Adolf Eichmann‘s answer on the Holocaust: I don’t let my personal beliefs interfere with state policy.
It was impossible for Eichmann to deny his role in the killing of Europe’s Jews. [Lawyer Robert] Servatius adopted the defense strategy that had been used at Nuremberg. Since he could not disavow the crime, he disavowed the responsibility for them. “He was just following orders.” Eichmann’s defense was designed to let the SS Officer fade from the stand and replace him with the benevolent bureaucrat, a man whose actions had been misrepresented by the prosecution. He even went so far as to claim that his early actions during the period of forced emigration had been for the benefit of the Jews.
And this is Tim Kaine’s problem: he either believes it when he says he’s “personally” anti-abortion, but that the demands of an imaginary constitutional “right” — only discovered, after centuries of constitutional jurisprudence, in 1973 — somehow supersede the moral teachings of a church nearly two millennia old and, furthermore, a teaching from which it has never wavered; or he’s lying.
I know which way I’m betting. If Kaine cannot reconcile his faith with his party, it is his party that should go, not his faith. And the fact that he’s running on the Democrat ticket tells you all you need to know.
And while we’re on the subject of blatant political falsehoods:
“We can encourage people to support life, of course we can,” said Kaine, a practicing Catholic. “But why doesn’t Donald Trump trust women to make this choice for themselves? That’s what we ought to be doing in public life: living our lives of faith or motivation with enthusiasm and excitement, convincing each other, dialoguing with each other about important moral issues of the day. But on fundamental issues of morality, we should let women make their own decisions.”
No, on “fundamental issues of morality” — which are laid down by dogma, not by personal interpretation — we should not let women make their own decisions. Because it is not exclusively up to them.
For one thing, until the Left manages to repeal all biological laws, it still takes two to tango; and if the biological father is going to be on the hook for child support should the baby be born, he should certainly have some say in whether the child should be aborted. To make this an issue of “women’s health” is one of the great lies of the late 20th century.
So, three men have written three scathing editorials on Hillary’s VP candidate Tim Kaine’s hypocrisy and heresy in his debate statements on the issue versus his practicing faith. And he is not alone. All Catholic democrats are way beyond overdue to be called on the carpet for this, like Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, and John Kerry. For too long these people have taken the Lord’s name in vain. I highly doubt when these “Catholics/Christians” face their day of judgement I doubt they will be able to sell their political rationalizations on their disregard for the innocents and their lives to He who will be their judge.
For somebody who declares their favorite word is “The Word” (i.e., God’s word/commands) she sure does show her allegiance for the words “Roe v Wade” in a more higher measure…
REP. PELOSI: I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And Senator–St. Augustine said at three months. We don’t know. The point is, is that it shouldn’t have an impact on the woman’s right to choose. Roe v. Wade talks about very clear definitions of when the child–first trimester, certain considerations; second trimester; not so third trimester. There’s very clear distinctions. This isn’t about abortion on demand, it’s about a careful, careful consideration of all factors and–to–that a woman has to make with her doctor and her god. And so I don’t think anybody can tell you when life begins, human life begins. As I say, the Catholic Church for centuries has been discussing this, and there are those who’ve decided…
MR. BROKAW: The Catholic Church at the moment feels very strongly that it…
REP. PELOSI: I understand that.
MR. BROKAW: …begins at the point of conception.
REP. PELOSI: I understand. And this is like maybe 50 years or something like that. So again, over the history of the church, this is an issue of controversy. But it is, it is also true that God has given us, each of us, a free will and a responsibility to answer for our actions. And we want abortions to be safe, rare, and reduce the number of abortions. That’s why we have this fight in Congress over contraception. My Republican colleagues do not support contraception. If you want to reduce the number of abortions, and we all do, we must–it would behoove you to support family planning and, and contraception, you would think. But that is not the case. So we have to take–you know, we have to handle this as respectfully–this is sacred ground. We have to handle it very respectfully and not politicize it, as it has been–and I’m not saying Rick Warren did, because I don’t think he did, but others will try to.
It has been warned that Satan will use scripture to deceive Christians, and evidently he is working through this nation’s democrat party members to do it.
Ed Morrissey states, “Pelosi lies about Catholicism and abortion”, because, yeah, she and all democrats do…
I’m always astounded as to the extent of deception in which pro-choice Catholics indulge themselves, both inwardly and outwardly, to justify their positions. Perhaps there is no balder example of this than Nancy Pelosi attempting to spin the Catholic doctrine on human life … Pelosi argues that the Catholic position on human life only developed in the last 50 years and that it doesn’t impact abortion in any case…
The Catholic catechism is extremely clear on the nature of its position on human life, and has been remarkably consistent on this point for almost 2,000 years, and it finds that position in the Old Testament. Human life begins at conception, not at birth, and not at some point consistent with Roe for convenience. In Psalm 51, David refers to his sinfulness beginning at the moment of conception, and sinfulness requires physical life and a soul to exist.
Pelosi isn’t the only Catholic with a habit of self-deception or flat-out dishonest on this topic; Joe Biden also falls into this category. Douglas Kmiec shifted his support from Mitt Romney to Barack Obama, and as John McCormack points out at the Weekly Standard, he did so by claiming abortion to be one of many issues that Catholics must consider as part of their faith when voting. I addressed that thinking in an earlier post, but I’ll recap it by noting that the Church urges people to address “sinful” inequalities but does not demand any particular strategy for that purpose. It does, however, make abortion — even formal facilitation of abortion — an instantly excommunicating act.
Membership in the Catholic Church is voluntary. If people do not want to follow its doctrines, they should find another faith community that reflects their values — and at the least, they should learn what the Church teaches on abortion and life before mischaracterizing it on national television. Pelosi is either a fool or a liar, or perhaps both.
And the almighty “Roe v Wade” is based on a lie, as the woman at the center of it, Norma McCorvey, admitted years ago:
“Back in 1973, I was a very confused twenty-one year old with one child and facing an unplanned pregnancy,” she says in the ad. “At the time I fought to obtain a legal abortion, but truth be told, I have three daughters and never had an abortion.”
“I think it’s safe to say that the entire abortion industry is based on a lie…. I am dedicated to spending the rest of my life undoing the law that bears my name,” McCorvey says.
She concludes the 60 second ad with the words: “You read about me in history books, but now I am dedicated to spreading the truth about preserving the dignity of all human life from natural conception to natural death.”
So, I wonder what Pelosi or Kaine or Hillary would say in a debate with McCorvey on using “Roe v Wade” as their political doctrine on abortion on demand. Hell, Nancy Pelosi finds the abortion process “sacred”, especially late term/partial birth abortions. The woman is evil…